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      <title>Not Trying To Opt Out</title>
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      <description>&lt;![CDATA[No, open source advocates are not engaged in &#34;special pleading&#34; to try to get open source given an unreasonable artificial market advantage in Europe, as some are alleging. From the very beginning I have heard people claiming that open source advocates are trying to get open source software per se excluded from the scope of regulation by the Cyber Resilience Act (CRA). Even now it seems people are still hearing this. &#xA;&#xA;Facts Not Opinions slogan carved in stone above a door&#xA;!--more--&#xA;The European Commission draft of the CRA purported to exclude open source from the scope of the new law throughout community development until it was made available on the market commercially -- its author said as much at FOSDEM 2023. This is a good thing as it would be harmful to open source development if merely developing software in the open became subject to regulation -- I have written previously about the mistaken use of a proprietary-software frame. However, as drafted the Act has substantial apparent inaccuracies and oversights that would probably lead to regulation of developers pre-market. &#xA;&#xA;Consequently many practitioners have asked those considering the Act to correct these defects. It is proving very challenging, because originally the CRA only applied to physical products with digital elements (like IoT devices, routers and so on), but following the impact assessment (which made a serious error of comprehension with an academic source) the scope was enlarged to include products without physical elements. I regard this as a huge mistake and the origin of the ambiguities which are causing the problems.  Unfortunately it appears to be too late to fix, so now we are trying to get an adequate ringfence around the pre-market development cycles of open source by fourth-sector developers.&#xA;&#xA;Some voices have then sought to misrepresent this as an attempt to exclude open source entirely from the regulation even when placed on the market commercially. This meme was already circulating when the draft text was first released (before any advocates I know had even commented). Naming no names, these voices are the kind of &#34;friends of open source&#34; whose agenda is actually to disadvantage it as much as possible. Some parties have then abstracted this misdirection into a general criticism. If you do see anyone asking for open source per se to be excluded rather than just for the development community to be excluded from the scope, please let me know so OSI can intervene.&#xA;&#xA;---&#xA;Notes, Tags and Mentions&#xA;&#xA;#OpenSource #CRA #Policy #Europe #4thSector &#xA;@osi@opensource.org @dirkriehle@hachyderm.io&#xA;The photo is my own, taken in London at the former Kirkcaldy Testing and Experimenting Works on Stamford Street.&#xA;&#xA;Follow @webmink@the.webm.ink to be informed of new posts. To discuss this post please reply from Mastodon etc. (search for the URL) &amp; include @webmink@meshed.cloud as WriteFreely still doesn&#39;t display replies. a href=&#34;/About&#34;More/a.]]&gt;</description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, open source advocates are <em>not</em> engaged in “special pleading” to try to get open source given an unreasonable artificial market advantage in Europe, as some are alleging. From the very beginning I have heard people claiming that open source advocates are trying to get open source software <em>per se</em> excluded from the scope of regulation by the Cyber Resilience Act (CRA). Even now it seems people are <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/posts/martin-chapman-dublin_ive-seen-a-few-posts-recently-requesting-activity-7056618503369318401-mCrf">still hearing this</a>.</p>

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The European Commission draft of the CRA purported to exclude open source from the scope of the new law throughout community development until it was made available on the market commercially — its author said as much at FOSDEM 2023. This is a good thing as it would be harmful to open source development if merely developing software in the open became subject to regulation — I have <a href="https://the.webm.ink/open-source-is-conceptually-disjoint-from-proprietary-software">written previously</a> about the mistaken use of a proprietary-software frame. However, as drafted the Act has substantial apparent inaccuracies and oversights that would probably lead to regulation of developers pre-market.</p>

<p>Consequently many practitioners have asked those considering the Act to correct these defects. It is proving very challenging, because originally the CRA only applied to physical products with digital elements (like IoT devices, routers and so on), but following the impact assessment (which made <a href="https://the.webm.ink/the-comprehension-error-behind-the-cra-issue">a serious error of comprehension with an academic source</a>) the scope was enlarged to include products without physical elements. I regard this as a huge mistake and the origin of the ambiguities which are causing the problems.  Unfortunately it appears to be too late to fix, so now we are trying to get an adequate ringfence around the pre-market development cycles of open source by fourth-sector developers.</p>

<p>Some voices have then sought to misrepresent this as an attempt to exclude open source entirely from the regulation even when placed on the market commercially. This meme was already circulating when the draft text was first released (before any advocates I know had even commented). Naming no names, these voices are the kind of “friends of open source” whose agenda is actually to disadvantage it as much as possible. Some parties have then abstracted this misdirection into a general criticism. If you do see anyone asking for open source <em>per se</em> to be excluded rather than just for the development community to be excluded from the scope, please let me know so OSI can intervene.</p>

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<h3 id="notes-tags-and-mentions">Notes, Tags and Mentions</h3>
<ul><li><a href="https://the.webm.ink/tag:OpenSource" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">OpenSource</span></a> <a href="https://the.webm.ink/tag:CRA" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">CRA</span></a> <a href="https://the.webm.ink/tag:Policy" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">Policy</span></a> <a href="https://the.webm.ink/tag:Europe" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">Europe</span></a> <a href="https://the.webm.ink/tag:4thSector" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">4thSector</span></a></li>
<li><a href="https://the.webm.ink/@/osi@opensource.org" class="u-url mention">@<span>osi@opensource.org</span></a> <a href="https://the.webm.ink/@/dirkriehle@hachyderm.io" class="u-url mention">@<span>dirkriehle@hachyderm.io</span></a></li>
<li>The photo is my own, taken in London at the former Kirkcaldy Testing and Experimenting Works on Stamford Street.</li></ul>

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      <title>Consulting The Fourth Sector</title>
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      <description>&lt;![CDATA[Update: This post has graduated to the OSI blog and is also available en Français.&#xA;!--more--&#xA;It&#39;s good news that the European Commission is now considering the value and needs of open source in its policy deliberations. What&#39;s less good is that it does so through the wrong lens. The Commission needs to extend its consultations, Expert Groups and other work to include and consider the fourth sector.&#xA;&#xA;Rodin&#39;s sculpture &#34;The Burghers of Calais&#34; is a huge bronze sculptor showing the wealthiest men of Calais surrendering ready for execution so that the townspeople of Calais would be spared&#xA;&#xA;Post-industrial society comprises three sectors in the worldview undergirding the European Union:&#xA;&#xA;The Commercial Sector includes industrial, extractive, service, logistic and administrative companies. They are represented pro se, by industry and trade associations, by consulting and lobbying companies and more.  &#xA;The Labour Sector includes workers of all kinds - industrial, skilled, research, educational, managerial, entrepreneurial and more. They are represented by trade unions, professional bodies, trade associations and more. &#xA;The Consumer Sector comprises everyone spending their personal wealth at all scales. They are represented by consumer associations, civil society organisations, religious organisations and more.&#xA;&#xA;But the Internet has driven change over the last 50 years from which has arisen the World Wide Web and thence the Open Source movement, which in turn have catalysed many open culture movements in their rainbow mantles. The wave of open has produced many phenomena, good, bad and pending judgement - including the gig economy, open knowledge communities like Wikipedia and the Internet Archive, technology giants like Facebook and Google, open software stacks and supply chains and much, much more.&#xA;&#xA;The roles people play in this open wave do not fit comfortably into the three post-industrial sectors. An individual would be expected predominantly to fall within the consumer sector, with a section of their life represented in the labour sector. But an open source developer can play roles characteristic of a commercial sector player, innovating and creating soft goods (commercial sector) which are assembled (commercial sector) or used (consumer sector) by others. A video streamer may be creating new copyrighted works of great value (commercial sector) that are widely viewed (consumer sector). An author or musician can now create their own compelling brand without becoming an employee of a publisher.&#xA;&#xA;This is the new fourth sector. It comprises individuals, often connected and facilitated by ad-hoc or charitable communities, playing the roles of the commercial, labour and consumer sectors in varying mixes all at the same time. The fourth sector is poorly represented by the entities and roles associated with all three of the other sectors. That&#39;s inevitable; each fourth sector role will fuse together an aspect represented and an aspect confronted by any of the entities and roles dedicated to the three traditional sectors. So a consumer association won&#39;t advocate well for open source developers because an aspect of their existence is classified as commercial. A streamer won&#39;t be well represented by a trade union because they embody both consumer and commercial aspects. And so on.&#xA;&#xA;As a result, existing consultation mechanisms used by legislators are guaranteed to fail. When they try to deal with open source by expressing the understanding they have gained of proprietary software, they will keep causing collateral damage -- as we have seen in the Cyber Resilience Act (CRA) and many times previously. The need will increase as regulation tries to control, account for or promote the activities of the fourth sector without consulting it.&#xA;&#xA;One significant reason this has been happening for such a long time already is the lack of a term to use to raise the issue. That&#39;s why I am proposing to call this sector of European society the &#34;fourth sector&#34;. It extends well beyond open source, covering any new, citizen-centric economic activity which is hard to have represented with only the existing commercial, labour and consumer lenses. Let&#39;s tell the Commission and other governments that it&#39;s time to care about the fourth sector, which is the driving force for all the changes they want to embrace -- or control.&#xA;&#xA;---&#xA;&#xA;Notes, Tags &amp; Mentions&#xA;&#xA;This essay and the thinking behind it about a &#34;meshed society&#34; has been around for quite some time -- indeed, I named my consulting company after it in 2013 because it under-girded all my thinking at Sun and before that at IBM! I finally got round to a web search to see if the term &#34;fourth sector&#34; was in use and ... yes it is, in the USA! Defined in a very similar way to the way I have done, although with the focus on only entrepreneurial activity, using the term as a synonym of &#34;for-benefit company&#34; and omitting the dimension of individual and local activity without incorporation. See Building Better and Fourth Sector Group for example. Their concept amazingly omits open source. Time to remedy that.&#xA;Photo is my own, of the edition of Auguste Rodin&#39;s &#34;The Burghers of Calais&#34; (&#34;Les Bourgeois de Calais&#34;) exhibited at the Musée Rodin in Paris. &#xA;#CRA #OpenSource #4thSector #Policy #Democracy #Representation #Terminology &#xA;&#xA;Follow @webmink@the.webm.ink to be informed of new posts. To discuss this post please reply from Mastodon etc. (search for the URL) &amp; include @webmink@meshed.cloud as WriteFreely still doesn&#39;t display replies. a href=&#34;/About&#34;More/a.]]&gt;</description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Update:</em> This post has graduated to the <a href="https://blog.opensource.org/modern-eu-policies-need-the-voices-of-the-fourth-sector/">OSI blog</a> and is also available <a href="https://grenoble.ninja/pour-un-quatrieme-secteur">en Français</a>.

It&#39;s good news that the European Commission is now considering the value and needs of open source in its policy deliberations. What&#39;s less good is that it does so through the wrong lens. The Commission needs to extend its consultations, Expert Groups and other work to include and consider the <strong><em>fourth sector</em></strong>.</p>

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<p>Post-industrial society comprises three sectors in the worldview undergirding the European Union:</p>
<ul><li>The <strong>Commercial Sector</strong> includes industrial, extractive, service, logistic and administrative companies. They are represented <em>pro se</em>, by industry and trade associations, by consulting and lobbying companies and more.<br></li>
<li>The <strong>Labour Sector</strong> includes workers of all kinds – industrial, skilled, research, educational, managerial, entrepreneurial and more. They are represented by trade unions, professional bodies, trade associations and more.</li>
<li>The <strong>Consumer Sector</strong> comprises everyone spending their personal wealth at all scales. They are represented by consumer associations, civil society organisations, religious organisations and more.</li></ul>

<p>But the Internet has driven change over the last 50 years from which has arisen the World Wide Web and thence the Open Source movement, which in turn have catalysed many open culture movements in their rainbow mantles. The wave of open has produced many phenomena, good, bad and pending judgement – including the gig economy, open knowledge communities like Wikipedia and the Internet Archive, technology giants like Facebook and Google, open software stacks and supply chains and much, much more.</p>

<p>The roles people play in this open wave do not fit comfortably into the three post-industrial sectors. An individual would be expected predominantly to fall within the consumer sector, with a section of their life represented in the labour sector. But an open source developer can play roles characteristic of a commercial sector player, innovating and creating soft goods (commercial sector) which are assembled (commercial sector) or used (consumer sector) by others. A video streamer may be creating new copyrighted works of great value (commercial sector) that are widely viewed (consumer sector). An author or musician can now create their own compelling brand without becoming an employee of a publisher.</p>

<p>This is the new <strong>fourth sector</strong>. It comprises individuals, often connected and facilitated by ad-hoc or charitable communities, playing the roles of the commercial, labour and consumer sectors in varying mixes all at the same time. The fourth sector is poorly represented by the entities and roles associated with all three of the other sectors. That&#39;s inevitable; each fourth sector role will fuse together an aspect represented and an aspect confronted by any of the entities and roles dedicated to the three traditional sectors. So a consumer association won&#39;t advocate well for open source developers because an aspect of their existence is classified as commercial. A streamer won&#39;t be well represented by a trade union because they embody both consumer and commercial aspects. And so on.</p>

<p>As a result, existing consultation mechanisms used by legislators are guaranteed to fail. When they try to <a href="https://the.webm.ink/open-source-is-conceptually-disjoint-from-proprietary-software">deal with open source by expressing the understanding they have gained of proprietary software</a>, they will keep causing collateral damage — as we have seen in the Cyber Resilience Act (CRA) and many times previously. The need will increase as regulation tries to control, account for or promote the activities of the fourth sector <a href="https://blog.opensource.org/why-the-european-commission-must-consult-the-open-source-communities/">without consulting it</a>.</p>

<p>One significant reason this has been happening for such a long time already is the lack of a term to use to raise the issue. That&#39;s why I am proposing to call this sector of European society the “fourth sector”. It extends well beyond open source, covering any new, citizen-centric economic activity which is hard to have represented with only the existing commercial, labour and consumer lenses. Let&#39;s tell the Commission and other governments that it&#39;s time to care about the fourth sector, which is the driving force for all the changes they want to embrace — or control.</p>

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<h3 id="notes-tags-mentions">Notes, Tags &amp; Mentions</h3>
<ul><li><em>This essay and <a href="https://meshedinsights.com/2018/07/02/the-legislative-disconnect-of-the-meshed-society/">the thinking behind it</a> about a “meshed society” has been around for quite some time — indeed, I named my consulting company after it in 2013 because it under-girded all my thinking at Sun and before that at IBM! I finally got round to a web search to see if the term “fourth sector” was in use and ... yes it is, in the USA! Defined in a very similar way to the way I have done, although with the focus on only entrepreneurial activity, using the term as a synonym of “for-benefit company” and omitting the dimension of individual and local activity without incorporation. See <a href="https://www.buildbetter.world/about-the-fourth-sector">Building Better</a> and <a href="https://www.fourthsector.org/">Fourth Sector Group</a> for example. Their concept amazingly omits open source. Time to remedy that.</em></li>
<li><em>Photo is my own, of the edition of Auguste Rodin&#39;s “<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Burghers_of_Calais">The Burghers of Calais</a>” (“Les Bourgeois de Calais”) exhibited at the Musée Rodin in Paris</em>.</li>
<li><a href="https://the.webm.ink/tag:CRA" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">CRA</span></a> <a href="https://the.webm.ink/tag:OpenSource" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">OpenSource</span></a> <a href="https://the.webm.ink/tag:4thSector" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">4thSector</span></a> <a href="https://the.webm.ink/tag:Policy" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">Policy</span></a> <a href="https://the.webm.ink/tag:Democracy" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">Democracy</span></a> <a href="https://the.webm.ink/tag:Representation" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">Representation</span></a> <a href="https://the.webm.ink/tag:Terminology" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">Terminology</span></a></li></ul>

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      <pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2023 17:10:03 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>CRA Compliance - Engaging Standards Bodies</title>
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      <description>&lt;![CDATA[Update: This has now graduated to the OSI Blog.&#xA;!--more--&#xA;One of the proposals in the Cyber Resilience Act (CRA) is that European standards bodies should develop suitable standards that help simplify conformance. Bert Hubert explains how this might work in his extensive CRA explainer. &#xA;&#xA;There&#39;s a crucial issue here for open source. EU policy experts say not to worry about CRA compliance because the EU standards bodies will streamline it. But the ESOs are corporate-controlled, patent-loving &amp; expensive to engage. Shouldn&#39;t the EU address this if they want open source accommodated?&#xA;&#xA;A medieval window in Southampton&#39;s city walls has had a later structure built across it that obstructs the window, which itself partly obstructs an even earlier window&#xA;&#xA;In Europe, standards requests from the European Commission are handled by bodies which have been designated a European Standardisation Organisation (ESO) under EU law. There are only three of these; CEN, CENELEC and ETSI. None of these standards development organisations are accessible to open source projects per se. &#xA;&#xA;CEN and CENELEC are largely controlled by national standards bodies which in turn are dominated by national industries, while ETSI is a  member organisation with high membership fees and largely secret proceedings (although laudably with free specifications) that is directly controlled by its members, predominantly from the telecoms industries but also including the European states. In addition, ETSI celebrates its role as a pioneer and proponent of FRAND licensing, which is fundamentally incompatible with open source communities. As with all de jure standards, participation in each of these standards bodies is expensive, both financially and in time, and engaging in their governance is beyond the scope of small players.&#xA;&#xA;Given this context, when the European Commission requests standards that will be applied for conformity assessment it&#39;s not clear how they will take into account the development workflow that applies to open source software. Like the European Commission itself (as I commented recently), Europe&#39;s standards bodies have no functional relationships with open source charities and do not consult them.  &#xA;&#xA;It is very important to find ways to give a voice to the true community and not just its corporate members. As things currently stand open source will only be considered through the lens of its corporate uses. Since open source is a social movement with software artifacts for which the applications are diverse, paying heed only to the attributes of the software and the needs of the companies consuming it is an inadequate approach. You can&#39;t even proxy through small business, let alone multinationals and their lobbyists - many of them are unaware of how communities work and without community understanding, fundamental errors can be made.&#xA;&#xA;As a result, I believe whatever legislation arises from the CRA (and related instruments) needs to specify that standards bodies making related standards must include effective measures to consult and include the open source community. If this doesn&#39;t happen, as NLnet Labs explained, &#34;The only alternative left available are the conformity assessment procedures that involve paying for third party process auditors.&#34;  And open source developers definitely can&#39;t afford that.&#xA;&#xA;---&#xA;Tags &amp; Mentions&#xA;#CRA #Standards #OpenSource #FOSS #Policy#4thSector&#xA;@berthubert@fosstodon.org @maarten@techpolicy.social&#xA;[RP-DD]: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstractid=4231645&#xA;&#xA;Follow @webmink@the.webm.ink to be informed of new posts. To discuss this post please reply from Mastodon etc. (search for the URL) &amp; include @webmink@meshed.cloud as WriteFreely still doesn&#39;t display replies. a href=&#34;/About&#34;More/a.]]&gt;</description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Update</em>: This has now graduated to the <a href="https://blog.opensource.org/another-issue-with-the-cyber-resilience-act-european-standards-bodies-are-inaccessible-to-open-source-projects/">OSI Blog</a>.

One of the proposals in the Cyber Resilience Act (CRA) is that European standards bodies should develop suitable standards that help simplify conformance. Bert Hubert explains how this might work in his <a href="https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/eu-cra-secure-coding-solution/">extensive CRA explainer</a>.</p>

<p>There&#39;s a crucial issue here for open source. EU policy experts say not to worry about CRA compliance because the EU standards bodies will streamline it. But the ESOs are corporate-controlled, patent-loving &amp; expensive to engage. Shouldn&#39;t the EU address this if they want open source accommodated?</p>

<p><a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/webmink/52384680635/in/dateposted/"><img src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52384680635_29f8fe853a_h.jpg" alt="A medieval window in Southampton&#39;s city walls has had a later structure built across it that obstructs the window, which itself partly obstructs an even earlier window" title="Building recklessly - an arch across a window across a window"></a></p>

<p>In Europe, <a href="https://single-market-economy.ec.europa.eu/single-market/european-standards/standardisation-requests_en">standards requests</a> from the European Commission are handled by bodies which have been designated a European Standardisation Organisation (ESO) under EU law. There are <a href="https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32012R1025&amp;from=EN#d1e32-28-1">only three</a> of these; <a href="https://www.cencenelec.eu/european-standardization/cen-and-cenelec/">CEN, CENELEC</a> and <a href="https://www.etsi.org/">ETSI</a>. <em>None</em> of these standards development organisations are accessible to open source projects <em>per se</em>.</p>

<p>CEN and CENELEC are largely controlled by national standards bodies which in turn are dominated by national industries, while ETSI is a  member organisation with high membership fees and largely secret proceedings (although laudably with free specifications) that is directly controlled by its members, predominantly from the telecoms industries but also including the European states. In addition, ETSI <a href="https://www.etsi.org/about/legal">celebrates</a> its role as a <a href="https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4231645">pioneer and proponent of FRAND licensing</a>, which is <a href="https://meshedinsights.com/2022/07/22/briefly-frand-is-toxic-to-collaboration/">fundamentally incompatible with open source communities</a>. As with all <em>de jure</em> standards, participation in each of these standards bodies is expensive, both financially and in time, and engaging in their governance is beyond the scope of small players.</p>

<p>Given this context, when the European Commission requests standards that will be applied for conformity assessment it&#39;s not clear how they will take into account the development workflow that applies to open source software. Like the European Commission itself (as I <a href="https://the.webm.ink/the-commission-must-consult-the-open-source-community">commented recently</a>), <strong>Europe&#39;s standards bodies have no functional relationships with open source charities and do not consult them.</strong></p>

<p>It is very important to find ways to give a voice to the true community and not just its corporate members. As things currently stand open source will only be considered through the lens of its corporate uses. Since open source is a social movement with software artifacts for which the applications are diverse, paying heed only to the attributes of the software and the needs of the companies consuming it is an inadequate approach. You can&#39;t even proxy through small business, let alone multinationals and their lobbyists – many of them are unaware of how communities work and without community understanding, <a href="https://the.webm.ink/the-comprehension-error-behind-the-cra-issue">fundamental errors</a> can be made.</p>

<p>As a result, I believe whatever legislation arises from the CRA (and related instruments) needs to specify that standards bodies making related standards <em>must</em> include effective measures to consult and include the open source community. If this doesn&#39;t happen, <a href="https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/13410-Cyber-resilience-act-new-cybersecurity-rules-for-digital-products-and-ancillary-services/F3376542_en">as NLnet Labs explained</a>, “The only alternative left available are the conformity assessment procedures that involve paying for third party process auditors.”  And open source developers definitely can&#39;t afford that.</p>

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<p><a href="https://the.webm.ink/tag:CRA" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">CRA</span></a> <a href="https://the.webm.ink/tag:Standards" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">Standards</span></a> <a href="https://the.webm.ink/tag:OpenSource" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">OpenSource</span></a> <a href="https://the.webm.ink/tag:FOSS" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">FOSS</span></a> <a href="https://the.webm.ink/tag:Policy" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">Policy</span></a><a href="https://the.webm.ink/tag:4thSector" class="hashtag"><span>#</span><span class="p-category">4thSector</span></a>
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      <title>The Commission MUST Consult The Open Source Community</title>
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      <description>&lt;![CDATA[Update: Graduated to the OSI Blog!--more--&#xA;&#xA;I wrote recently about the possible origin of a serious defect in terminology in the Impact Assessment of the Cyber Resilience Act (CRA). But this is not the only problem with the Impact Assessment. A crucial one appears in Annex 2 (on page 4 of the Part 2 pdf), where it becomes clear from sections 2-4 that no open source communities or community fiduciaries were consulted as stakeholders. &#xA;&#xA;Top portion of sculpture at Brussels South Station. Topped by a gold weathervane, a black support structure on a ribbed black obelisk has the text &#34;In Your Own Time&#34;&#xA;&#xA;In the comments by the European Commission&#39;s policy officers given during a FOSDEM Main Stage panel it became clear they had been working on the language of the updates to the Public Liability Directive (PLD) and CRA for a significant time. When asked why they had not consulted the community until now (at 1:27:45 on the video), they replied it was the community&#39;s responsibility to find out about their work and show up to published consultations.&#xA;&#xA;It is not enough to expect the open source ecosystem to spontaneously show up - it is not structured in a way that makes that likely. In any case the consultation process has no category for individuals who make economically significant works outside the role of &#34;Company&#34; or &#34;Workforce&#34;. In other words, there were no consultations aimed at the community. At best we will show up late in the process asking why no-one called, as we are now.&#xA;&#xA;It is not unreasonable to ask to be treated in a way respectful of these realities; the process does so for SMEs. Section 4 of Annex 2 observes &#34;However, it has been very difficult to get substantial input from SMEs.&#34; As a result there was extensive, targeted outreach to SMEs resulting in significant inputs. No equivalent effort was made to reach out to open source charities like OSI, or to significant fiduciaries like Apache, Eclipse or Python.&#xA;&#xA;There are some inputs all the same. It&#39;s great that companies in the open source ecosystem do show up in consultations, and I know of a number who have lobbyists in Brussels. But they cannot be relied on to explain or even consider the perspectives of the significant number of community participants either outside their interest area or even opposed to it. &#xA;&#xA;It is very important to find ways to give a voice to the true community and not just its corporate members. Open source is a social movement with software artifacts and market consequences. Paying heed only to the latter (or even the latter two) is an inadequate approach. You can&#39;t proxy through SMEs, let alone multinationals and their lobbyists.&#xA;&#xA;This is a serious and persistent issue with the Commission&#39;s work; they need to become aware that when proposals affect the open source ecosystem (of which the open source software market they value is a part but not the whole), it is essential for them to treat the members of that ecosystem as key stakeholders and make at least as much of an effort to reach out to them as they do to SMEs -- possibly more. &#xA;&#xA;#CRA #PLD #Policy #OpenSource #Community #4thSector&#xA;&#xA;[MI-LD]: https://meshedinsights.com/2018/07/02/the-legislative-disconnect-of-the-meshed-society/&#xA;&#xA;Follow @webmink@the.webm.ink to be informed of new posts. To discuss this post please reply from Mastodon etc. (search for the URL) &amp; include @webmink@meshed.cloud as WriteFreely still doesn&#39;t display replies. a href=&#34;/About&#34;More/a.]]&gt;</description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Update:</em> Graduated to the <a href="https://blog.opensource.org/why-the-european-commission-must-consult-the-open-source-communities/">OSI Blog</a></p>

<p>I <a href="https://the.webm.ink/the-comprehension-error-behind-the-cra-issue">wrote recently</a> about the possible origin of a serious defect in terminology in the <a href="https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/library/cyber-resilience-act-impact-assessment">Impact Assessment</a> of the Cyber Resilience Act (CRA). But this is not the only problem with the Impact Assessment. A crucial one appears in Annex 2 (on page 4 of the Part 2 pdf), where it becomes clear from sections 2-4 that <strong>no open source communities or community fiduciaries were consulted as stakeholders</strong>.</p>

<p><img src="https://pix.webm.ink/storage/m/_v2/528856369903823094/42a8ecf32-5a8865/3GfLqQLFGgCL/7IwVHTPo7RluA8WraxvIoac6RwsBXZy1lArh9Xyd.jpg" alt="Top portion of sculpture at Brussels South Station. Topped by a gold weathervane, a black support structure on a ribbed black obelisk has the text &#34;In Your Own Time&#34;" title="In Your Own Time sculpture, Brussels"></p>

<p>In the comments by the European Commission&#39;s policy officers given during <a href="https://fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/cyber_resilience/">a FOSDEM Main Stage panel</a> it became clear they had been working on the language of the updates to the Public Liability Directive (PLD) and CRA for a significant time. When asked why they had not consulted the community until now (at 1:27:45 on the video), they replied it was the community&#39;s responsibility to find out about their work and show up to published consultations.</p>

<p>It is not enough to expect the open source ecosystem to spontaneously show up – it is not structured in a way that makes that likely. In any case the consultation process <a href="https://meshedinsights.com/2018/07/02/the-legislative-disconnect-of-the-meshed-society/">has no category</a> for individuals who make economically significant works outside the role of “Company” or “Workforce”. In other words, there <em>were</em> no consultations aimed at the community. At best we will show up late in the process asking why no-one called, as we are now.</p>

<p>It is not unreasonable to ask to be treated in a way respectful of these realities; the process does so for SMEs. Section 4 of Annex 2 observes “However, it has been very difficult to get substantial input from SMEs.” As a result there was extensive, targeted outreach to SMEs resulting in significant inputs. No equivalent effort was made to reach out to open source charities like OSI, or to significant fiduciaries like Apache, Eclipse or Python.</p>

<p>There are some inputs all the same. It&#39;s great that companies in the open source ecosystem do show up in consultations, and I know of a number who have lobbyists in Brussels. But they cannot be relied on to explain or even consider the perspectives of the significant number of community participants either outside their interest area or even opposed to it.</p>

<p>It is very important to find ways to give a voice to the true community and not just its corporate members. Open source is a social movement with software artifacts and market consequences. Paying heed only to the latter (or even the latter two) is an inadequate approach. You can&#39;t proxy through SMEs, let alone multinationals and their lobbyists.</p>

<p>This is a serious and persistent issue with the Commission&#39;s work; they need to become aware that when proposals affect the open source ecosystem (of which the open source software market they value is a part but not the whole), it is <em>essential</em> for them to treat the <a href="https://meshedinsights.com/2018/07/02/the-legislative-disconnect-of-the-meshed-society/">members of that ecosystem</a> as key stakeholders and make at least as much of an effort to reach out to them as they do to SMEs — possibly more.</p>

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